with plums, with quinces, and with crataeguses; but not with pomegranates; and the household of Manassia, son of Menahem, would press with pomegranates. And from where [do we know] that it is the sages? Perhaps it is R. Jehudah! And let it also be R. Jehudah! When did you hear according to R. Jehudah? If it ooze out by itself! “One presses to begin with” did you hear him? But what can you say? Because they are not meant for pressing, even to begin with! You can even say: “[it is] the sages” – because they are not meant for pressing, even to begin with! Hear from it: It is the sages? Hear from it.

Said R. Jehudah in the name of Samuel: "A man may squeeze out a bunch of grapes directly into a pot, but not into a bowl. (Why not? Because if he squeezed it into the pot it is proof positive that it will be used for food, but if squeezed into the bowl it might be used as a beverage.) Said R. Hisda: "From the decree of our master we can learn, that a man may milk a goat right into the pot, but not into a bowl." Thus we see that Samuel holds, that beverages when mixed with eatables are also regarded as eatables.