How to restore wallet from 15-word seed mnemonic?

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The wallet was created around Feb 2013, using unknown wallet software. All that is known is a passprase, and 15 words. I suspect the passphrase was used to encrypt the wallet, and is probably irrelevant here, since the wallet file itself is lost.

All words are found in the "old" Electrum list. But the number 15 is puzzling, since no version of Electrum ever produced 15 words by default, as far as I know. I considered the possibility that this mnemonic was extended with custom words, but it looks like custom words in Electrum work only with the "new" word list.

I cloned Electrum repository from github and tried converting mnemonic to hex seed using the old list, then converting it back to mnemonic using the "new" word list. This method produces 15 words that Electrum GUI does recognize as 12 + 3 (extended), but leads to empty wallet.

My working hypothesis: there ought to be another wallet software that existed around 2013 that used Electrum's "old" word list and generated 15 words by default. Any other ideas or suggestions?

user443854

Posted 2017-12-13T20:33:33.120

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1Finally a good wallet-recovery question. A +1 from me. I hope it helps attracting people who can help you.Christiaan Westerbeek 2017-12-13T21:03:58.810

By any chance, could it be that 4 years ago you invented your own way of making a private key from 15 words and that you forget you did that?Christiaan Westerbeek 2017-12-13T21:37:33.073

Does blockchain.info ring a bell? Give it a try https://blockchain.info/wallet/forgot-password?guid=

Chak 2017-12-13T22:08:33.893

I am aware of this tool. It is unfortunately broken (aside from violating the first rule of mnemonic - to never enter it on a web site). Try to enter 'drama' (one of the words in my mnemonic) and watch it error out.user443854 2017-12-13T22:16:00.043

If your 15 words really are from blockchain.info, then this is the only way to recover it, as the old legacy mnemonic phrase is not the same as HD wallet "recovery phrase. The error you get is because you need to enter at least 3 words, I haven't looked over the whole source file, but I assume it is some kind of a checksum. Of course it has to be done online, how else is blockchain able to fetch your wallet-id and password for you? You can disregard this, if your 15 words are from somewhere else.

Chak 2017-12-13T23:02:57.423

@Chak this is indeed from blockchain.info. I was discouraged by the errors when I entered the 15 words in the wrong order on purpose, to see if it works. In all likelihood it did not work due to checksum, like you said. When I entered all 15 words in the right order, the output matched the passphrase on record.user443854 2017-12-13T23:59:17.103

@Chak, you can answer that blockchain.info circa 2013 had 15 mnemonic words, so I can accept it as correct answer.user443854 2017-12-14T00:01:22.590

Glad it helped.Chak 2017-12-14T12:44:02.620

Answers

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Mnemonic phrase from 2015 or earlier, and not an Electrum seed?

Then there is a high probability it is blockchain.info's legacy wallet recovery mnemonic.
Which can be recovered here https://blockchain.info/wallet/forgot-password

Chak

Posted 2017-12-13T20:33:33.120

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This could also be coinomi (an android app HD wallet that supports many currencies, including ETH). They used a 15 word seed. They have a recovery tool here, https://coinomi.com/recovery-phrase-tool.html -- or use can use their app again to unlock. AFAIK no other vendor seems to quite support restoring their phrases -- but you can use their tool to derive the private keys.

Robin Monks

Posted 2017-12-13T20:33:33.120

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Probably a BIP39 mnemonic. See, for example, https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

sofend

Posted 2017-12-13T20:33:33.120

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